members of the fbi are in russia today to interview the suspects' mom and dad. they questioned them for several hours yesterday. tamerlan's family now trying to find a place to bury him. authorities released the body and the mosque the family attended in boston declined the request for a service. the associated press is reported that tamerlan fell under the influence of a mysterious radical in the years before the bombing. a muslim convert who steered him toward a strain of islam and reports this morning that the sole surviving suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev may want to be moved to another hospital because of the victims at the hospital are upset he is there. nbc news did not confirm that report. another report that dzhokhar sold pot on campus prior to the bombings and he sold that to make money to get by. joe biden is expected to attend a memorial service for sean collier killed by the bombing

suspects allegedly and more healing. boylston street reopened earlier this morning. crews removed the barriers around 3:00 a.m. the site of the first explosion has been repaved and surrounded by construction cones. we'll hear from pete williams tracking down a new lead in this case. we'll get pete on as soon as we can. first, to the possible miscommunication and breakdown between intelligence and other federal officials. lawmakers learned yesterday homeland security was pinged when tamerlan tsarnaev went to russia but they didn't tell the fbi. here's republican congressman michael mccaul on "the daily rundown." >> we talked a lot about connecting the dots and stovepipes after 9/11 and here we are 12 years later and the fact remains it's still not working. >> joining me right now is independent senator of maine, angus king, member of the intelligence committee and at yesterday's fbi briefing. it's good to have you with me this morning. can you hear me? senator?

>> we'll go back to the senator in a second. you were tracking down a new lead. something you can reveal now or something you want to wait on? >> we've been trying to get a better understanding of what it was that was back and forth between the u.s. and russia over their initial tip to the u.s. or their initial report to the u.s. that the older brother, tamerlan, had become radicalized and that the u.s. should look into it. so here's our understanding of the sequence. it's basically what we have been told with a few additional modifications. in early 2011 the russians go to the fbi and say we believe he's becoming radicalized. you should look into it. the fbi opens a threat assessment. they check their data bases and see if they find anything derogatory about him. they see if he's talking to anyone else that's a terror

suspect. they find nothing there. they interview him at his house in cambridge and that comes up negative. they go back to russians in early 2011 saying we got nothing. can you get us more information? something else to go on. the russians never respond. then in september of 2011, officials say, the russians come back to the u.s. this time to the cia with the identical information they came with earlier in the year. the cia at that point puts him into the initial terrorism data base as someone to flag and tells the fbi again. the fbi goes back to the russians and says we've checked this out. once again is there anything else we need to know. they say the russians never respond. it is correct that the russians contacted the u.s. more than once. but the officials say each time they passed on precisely the same information and never responded when the u.s. asked for more. so that's our best understanding now of how this all happened. if you step back a little bit,

the fbi says they did this threat assessment and it came up negative. what further follow-up should there be, i think, is a question maybe for the intelligence community and congress to think about. is the way it's being handled now the right way or given this one-time flag is that something that should be revisited over and over again? how do you draw a limit on that? these are difficult questions. >> now it's interesting to find out when the fbi did go back as you say in early 2011 to investigate maybe more leads from russia on why they originally set tamerlan to them in the first place but got nothing back and they then later in 2011 went to the cia with the same information they went to the fbi with in the beginning of the year. a disconnect as to why this person pinged on russia's radar. >> yeah. a disconnect in the sense that russians never told us i guess is the word.

what i'm told is the u.s. several times asked russians what is it? what is it about them? can you give us more information and they say each time they asked the russians never responded. >> so we do understand that u.s. investigators have gone to russia to do their firsthand investigation speaking to the brothers' parents. do we know more details about how those meetings have went? they met with them once so far, correct? >> they haven't given us a read out about how that's going. i'm sure it's not over. they've got a lot of work to do. bear in mind that the fbi goes into russia. they'll be working closely with the russian intelligence service. the russians won't allow the fbi to roam around on their own. that does sort of slow things down a bit. but they want to talk to anybody that tamerlan tsarnaev may have come in contact with when he was in russia last year. his parents, friends, where did he go? try to reconstruct his movements. might he have met with radicals

there? this will take time. >> thank you for joining us this morning. we'll let you get back to work. appreciate it. joining me now, we'll go back to senatoring angus king. he was at yesterday's fbi briefing. sir, you can hear me now, correct? >> i can. i certainly can. >> hopefully you were able to hear part of pete's reporting there on what he's been working on this morning piecing the dots together of how russia informed the fbi and also informed the cia and how this all went down in the beginnings of 2011. we do know that the briefing you attended was classified. two reports are quoting senators who say the fbi was alerted more than once by the russians about tamerlan tsarnaev. if you were able to hear pete's reporting, does that give you more questions about where the disconnect was or does that help clear anything up? fill in blanks from the briefing you had. >> i'm not sure there was a disconnect. i have to be careful because it was a classified briefing. i have to be careful about what

i say. essentially i think it's important to put this into context. we get something like 20,000 tips a year about people who might be potentially involved in terrorism and they're followed up as they were in this case with a rather detailed background check, checking of correspondence and those kind of things and an interview and thorough check out and in this case it came up negative. they didn't find anything. the russians didn't give them anything specific to go on. so i think pete's report was essentially accurate. and everybody is looking for was there a breakdown here and clearly one of the things we want to do is to look back at this and say are there things where there weren't communications, where there weren't -- where the system didn't work or where there weren't links between the agencies but by in large it

appears at least based upon what i've been told they did what they're supposed to do in this case and didn't have any reason to go any further and they've done, i think, an extraordinary job and they're now going -- the big question now is where these guys acting alone? were they lone wolves or involved in larger group. the fbi is talking to everybody they've ever worked with, everybody they've talked to. as you just mentioned they sent people to russia. one of the questions is what did this guy do for six months when he was back with his parents? and we don't know that. the russians didn't tell us that. and we don't know if they know. so that's the piece that we're trying to put together. so far what i've seen is that the fbi and the cia and the counterterrorism folks treated this case as they should have. there weren't any red flags beyond what these kind of tips that come in all the time

whether it's from russia or an individual or another country or whatever. it was taken seriously. it wasn't shoveled under the rug as far as i can tell. >> i think a lot of people would appreciate your more measured approach here. we had congressman peter king in the last hour with my colleague chris jansing saying the fbi needs to take a second look at its procedures at least because of the briefings that he's been privy to. take a listen. >> i think it requires local police to be more involved and perhaps the fbi should consider adjusting regulations to keep a file on someone open. did they tell the boston police about this? was there any way -- any capacity to follow up on that case when subsequent information became available on the older brother? >> how do you think it will springboard debate on whether local police should be tipped off and maybe something on a local level they could then be more regulated in terms of their behavior and not something that the fbi has to onus on them all

the time as you say with thousands and thousands of tips they're getting. >> it's a question on whether the tip has substance to it and whether it turns out upon investigation to raise any red flags. at that point certainly we should be talking about notifying local law enforcement and other agencies. the other agencies were aware of this. i think, you know, in a case like this, it's always easy to look back and say well, they did this wrong or did that wrong. so far i got to be honest with you, i haven't seen any evidence of that. there was some question about whether we got the proper notification to the airport when tamerlan came back into the united states. the question is would that have mattered because there still wasn't anything in the file to indicate that he was going to be a problem. now, having said all that, clearly one of my principles of leadership is you always do an after action assessment and you say what worked and what didn't

work? there may be some systems things that we need to work out here. i don't know. it's a legitimate question to discuss as to whether every one of those 20,000 tips and even those that come up negative are passed to local law enforcement. at some point this is america. >> independent senator angus king of maine. thank you for your time. i appreciate it. want to pass along breaking news we're getting out of illinois. more deadly gun violence. at least five people were killed in the village of manchester. a suspect is in custody but some area schools are still in lockdown. >> when you've been charged with something, you just never heard of ricin or whatever. i thought they said rice. i said i don't even heat rice. >> that's the man accused of sending ricin laced letters to the president. he's no longer a suspect. he was released from jail. the main question now is was he framed? plus, hacked? the associated press being the

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>> its last seven days staring at four gray walls like green, green grass at home tune. not really knowing what's happening. not having a clue why i'm there when you've been charged with something and you just never heard of ricin or whatever. i thought they said rice. i said i don't eat rice. >> that was paul kevin curtis appearing at a news conference last night after charges of

sending ricin laced letters to president obama and a senator from mississippi was dropped and curtis was released from jail. the sometime elvis impersonator was arrested last wednesday but in a case that gets more bizarre, investigators say the fbi found no evidence of ricin at the home or in curtis' car. >> divine intervention led this amazing beautiful, blue eyed angel to my jail cell. through my daughter and connection with her friend. my daughter has a direct link to jesus. i respect president obama. i love my country. i would never do anything to pose a threat to him or any other u.s. official. >> what are your plans right now? what are your immediate plans? >> i need to find my cow. she got loose when homeland security swarmed in on me when i

went to check my mail. >> the dog is safe. we don't know who the real ricin suspect is. we do know authorities have searched the home of the man who allegedly feuded with paul kevin curtis. nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell joins us now. where does the investigation now shift? >> reporter: part of what was fascinating about this is the attorney for the man we just saw who was released said there were things in the letters that were sent that did point to him. and she suggested that it might be this other person who has been known to have a feud with kevin who was just released. the issue here is another had his home searched. no charges filed. there was this question of might he have had information known to him through social media and so forth that might have been a possible way to frame the other man. all of this is still being looked at and it is kind of in the realm of the bizarre when

you talk about the elvis impersonator and you can see a bit of that in the side burn and tone of voice. you see him profess his devotion to the country and wouldn't do this but his own attorney acknowledged some of what were in the letters sent to the president, mississippi senator roger wicker and a local mississippi judge did reflect some of the comments that he had been known to make publicly. so we are in a position now where we don't know exactly what the next step is. the testing that's been done on these letters does indicate a substance toxic known as ricin which is formed from castor beans was present but who did it? that's a real question. it's a who done it that has unusual characters and a serious set of circumstances when you talk about making threats to the president, to u.s. senator and a federal judge. so what we thought was perhaps something that had been resolved quickly is now taking an interesting turn into the unknown. thomas? >> nbc's kelly o'donnell reporting. great to see you. thank you. former secretary of state hillary clinton is riding high

while former governor jeb bush is fighting fatigue. the power panel will weigh in on a potential 2016 matchup between the two. lance armstrong could be paying up for lying about his steroid use. the justice department is not going easy on him. details ahead in news now.

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half past the hour with latest developments in the boston bombing investigation. let's get you caught up on what we know. a memorial service to be held at the top of the hour for the slain m.i.t. officer sean collier reportedly killed by the bombers. joe biden will speak at that memorial. state charges are expected to be filed by the end of the week. 39 injured victims of last monday's bombing remain hospitalized in boston at this hour. one is in critical condition list at the boston medical center. the surviving bombing suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev is in fair condition. this is unfolding as fbi and russian authorities pursue further questioning of the two bomb suspects trying to find out what they knew, if anything, about the tsarnaev brothers' plans. so are president obama and senator john mccain washington's

new bffs? not really. a new article titled why john mccain is barack obama's new best friend suggests that by putting their icy patch behind them, the two former presidential rivals could actually etch out their own legacies in the long run and as the president tries to eke out his second term agenda, he may need all the bffs he can get. a new piece look at how with max baucus retiring another obama frenemy is biting the dust. i want to bring in our panel. gang, it is great to have you all here today. hogan, i want to start with you. we said frenemies. others can look at it as a

bromance. some say several major areas of overlap have emerged. they say there isn't a bromance but there's a functional relationship that gets both men closer to their policy goals. come on. a bromance could come out of that. they see a way to move forward through each other's politics that could cement their legacy, don't you agree? >> they could. this is the kind of time where i'm excited. i'm glad they are trying to come together to get something accomplished. where has this been? the president came into office. mccain was there for a long time. this is typical of politicians looking back in way twilight of their career. i know it was a chilly election and they didn't have the best relationship coming out of that but still this is what we elect them to do. we elect them to come to the table with ideas that may be different and may be the same but define common ground and get

things accomplished. i'm glad it happened but i wish it would have happened sooner. that's the problem for me. >> as we talk about the political atmosphere in washington, d.c. and we see obviously strains but there's talk of the strain in the left and the fact that max baucus will not rerun. he's one of the people that voted against the gun reform measures out of the senate. as we look at this and the political headline, max baucus locked in bitter feuds with party. we look at his voting history on this. he voted against bipartisan gun background check bill i mentioned. voted against senator patty murray's budget. voted for obama care but says he foresees a train wreck in implementing part of it. is it a relief to the administration to hear he's not going to rerun? >> it's good that he's not going to rerun and come back because one of the elements that the administration really wants, obama wants, is implementation of obama care. looked like he would be a problem there. fundamentally, this is a guy who

has fought harry reid and although he was on the wrong side from the obama administration's point of view on guns, he really is a democrat, a montana democrat, but a democrat in the senate and his departure means that you're likely going to have a republican in that red state. that's not good for obama the next three years. >> so as we talk about what is good and not so good for the president over the next three years, i want to talk to you about what we're going to see developing from who is contending for 2016. as we look at where this new gallup poll and we have joe biden at 45%. 64% for hillary clinton. hillary is about to start on her highly lucrative speaking tours. what does that say to you as everyone tries to read the crystal ball buiabout where she will fall?

>> they watched her as a senator and then as candidate for president and then when she doesn't succeed in that campaign going to work for barack obama, representing the united states all over the world and being a terrific representative, one in whom we can all take pride and they like what they see. i wouldn't say my crystal ball tells me much further than that. it is very reassuring and reaffirming to say the public does reward good work. hillary clinton has been a terrific advocate for the united states. she's brought values around the world. she's been a tough negotiator when that was needed. made a real difference. that's what the public wants to see in our leaders. >> there's a lot of time between now and 2016 and i want to talk to you about jeb bush for 2016. i know you'll be at the dedication of the presidential library for george w. bush tomorrow. we have this politico headline that jeb is battling bush fatigue saying he can check boxes needed to win the white house, money, resume and connection but he's also got a problem. his last name. obviously there's going to be press attention that goes around

the dedication of the presidential library tomorrow. do you think that there really is bush fatigue? >> there's no question, thomas. the bush fatigue is a problem. i think clearly jeb bush is the leading candidate. there are other republicans. chris christie and others who are strongly considered in that group. jeb bush is a leader for a lot of reasons and yet the next nominee for the republican party is in a sense going to have to run as an anti-bush against some of the elements that not just the country -- members of the country, democrats and independents didn't like but some republicans didn't like. that's going to be very difficult if your name is bush. so that i think is going to be a big problem. how do you thread that needle? you run without dissing your bigger brother. on the other hand, you present yourself as somebody new. >> he's well liked. if anybody can do it, he possibly could. our power panel, thanks so much.

i appreciate it. want to go back to more on the boston bombing investigation and feds are investigating religious ties to the suspects here at home. national investigative correspondent with us live on that. we understand you have new insight regarding the connection between the tsarnaev brothers and a mosque located there in cambridge. >> reporter: the fbi has already questioned at least three members of that cambridge mosque where samantha tsarnatamerlan td and caused disruption in the last few days, as recent as martin luther king day when he called a speaker a nonbeliever and hypocrite and had to be called aside and was told if he didn't behave himself and respect speakers at the mosque, he was no longer welcome. in fact, he continued to attend services at the mosque as recently as a few weeks ago just last month i was told he was seen at the mosque in cambridge praying. now, it's not clear how far this

is going to go. the fbi is looking at closely as it can at whatever influences might be out there and connections with others. we do know that dzhokhar said there were no accomplices in the plot and there were no connections to international terror groups. there's still the question, if that's true, of whether there were a ideological cohorts or people who were encouraging them in one way without being operational. one interesting threat is a number of family members have talked about this mysterious person of armenia dissent who was a big influence of tamerlan and encouraging him and hardliner and family members say that he seemed to have changed and become much more radical in his views. who this is we still don't know. relatives both here in the

united states and overseas have identified him as being the sort of catalyst in tamerlan's radicalization. i think the fbi and others are trying to find out who exactly this is. >> we're just getting this in from police commissioner of new york, ray kelly, talking about the fact of brothers and whether or not they were coming to new york or not. there's been a lot of speculation about the fact that the brothers were going to be leaving boston and trying to get to new york. ray kelly has come out saying that he has learned that the brothers were going to come here to try and party in new york city to get away from boston. we'll work more details on that and bring them to you as more and more information comes to light about those brothers and what their travel plans were after those horrific bombings in boston. our question of the day for you though. is the fbi getting a bad rap over the boston bombing investigation and what's been revealed so far about missed connections between russia tipping off the fbi? tweet me and find us on facebook

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for president george w. bush. mark, it's great to see you. it's great to have you here in advance of what will take place tomorrow. tell us more about what the bush presidential senator will feature. what are main attractions that will be exhibited there? >> thanks, thomas. well, the most powerful attraction of course is 9/11 and it's powerful because you start through the library and you see what the initial phase of the presidency was like when george bush was working on immigration reform and tax reform and you turn a corner and you're confronted with huge steal beams that were from 9/11 where the planes hit the building and hit the steel barriers and it's profound and in fact people -- we had a preview this morning with members of the media and there were people crying when they turned the corner and saw it. it's profound because it really reminds us all not just the impact it had on the presidency of george w. bush but impact it had on all of us and changed our lives and his presidency.

there's another really interesting feature of the museum which is called the decision points theater which allows visitors to sit at a desk and look at the decisions that were made on katrina, on the fiscal meltdown and on iraq and to make their own decisions about what they would have done. the bottom line on the library is no matter your opinion of george w. bush, after having gone through it, i think you gain an appreciation and an understanding for why he made decisions he did at the time and how he made those decisions. >> one thing and obviously president bush and mrs. bush have been in the press lately for positive attention since the birth of their granddaughter which is fantastic and the fact this library dedication is coming up. the president has kept a low profile since leaving office. do you agree with those that are out there saying that the criticism of what you bring up, the fact we had the financial meltdown, katrina, the invasion

of iraq, this is going to likely trigger a public reaction that's going to dredge up a lot of those old memories and critic m criticisms? >> i think by embracing and looking back through the lens of history and it's not really rewriting history, it's more an accurate reflection of what actually happened, and as we get distance from it and look back and realize and think about the information that he had and the nature of the challenges, there's a lot of sympathy and understanding for the decisions that were made at the time even if you disagreed with the outcome. it will be a good exercise for the country to reflect on his administration through the library experience and the bottom line is it gives a powerful understanding of what it is like to be the president of the united states in america today and you can go into the oval office and see what the actual oval office looks like. >> do you think the president will continue to keep a low profile even after the dedication of the library

tomorrow and the fact that he has a new granddaughter. do you think he'll continue on this track that he's been on? >> no question about it. i think he likes being off the radar screen. he likes not being in the political mix and allowing the current president and future presidents not to have to deal with outside pass presidents infringing on their turf and territory. he knows how hard a job it is by itself without having others intervening. i think he's very happy and content painting and mount bike riding and giving speeches. >> one thing politico is reporting today about the president's relationship with vice president dick cheney asking him about the relationship that they have now. he said, it's been cordial. he lives in washington. we live in dallas. one of the saddest things about departing washington is you miss your pals and a lot of people were there for all eight years and i became good friends with them like vice president cheney. he says, i just don't see him. it's great to be in texas, however. the president is certainly enjoying his time out of office. that's for sure.

dedication tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. we'll have it here live. thank you, sir. as i point out the special coverage that we will have will start tomorrow. msnbc's dedication of the presidential senator of george w. bush. don't miss it. new numbers, they don't show much anger on the failure of the gun control issue. it's time for the side bar. the new "the washington post" pew research poll shows that 47% are up set that gun legislation failed. that isn't stopping from activists from going after lawmakers who voted against it. >> it says here voted against improving background checks to keep hands out of the hands of criminals. 89 percent of the people in new hampshire support universal background checks. what, she just ignored us? it's now airing in ayotte's home

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live pictures from cambridge, massachusetts, where hundreds of people are pouring into a memorial service for slain m.i.t. officer sean collier. vice president joe biden will be speaking at that memorial service in about an hour from now. well, in the wake of the home-grown terror attack, we remember another. it's been nearly 50 years since four young girls were killed after members of the ku klux klan bombed the birmingham alabama church where they were worshipping. the pictures of these four girls

puts a devastating new face on the country's racial terrorisms. today in washington, the house of representatives will move one step closer to posthumously awarding them with the congressional gold medal. joining mess is congresswoman terry sewell, also joining me is diane braddock, the sister of carol robertson, one of the girls who was killed in that bombing. ladies, good morning. congresswoman, i want to start with you. explain how this measure came about to want to move ahead with this ceremony? >> you know, it's a long overdue recognition, in this the 50th anniversary year, the alabama delegation came together, both republicans and democrats, we thought it was very important and befitting that we acknowledge and honor the lives of addie mae, carol, cynthia, as well as denise mcnair. so that's what we wanted to do. it's the 50th anniversary, a

long time overdue. i'm just honored that dianswer and lisa mcnair, the sister of denise, are here with us and will be in the gallery during the vote. >> congresswoman, as you dough, sarah rudolph, one of the sisters, lost his eye during that bombing, she called this a hole low gesture and plans to seek restitution. it wasn't until 2000 that the fbi declared this as an act by the kkk. what do you say to those like ms. rudolph who say your measure doesn't meet the definition of justice? >> you know, obviously the family members can seek legal restitution, but this particular medal i think, while it can't bring back the lives of those lost, it is an effort on our part to really acknowledge nationally the sacrifice this family has made. you know, today is a celebration of the life and legacy of the four little girls. >> dianswer, this is certainly a

landmark day for you and your family. your family becoming the faces of civil rights in the movement in this country. what is it about this tragic story that you think still capital investigates all of us here in the country? >> well, i think the story capital investigates so many people, not only in this country, but throughout the world, because it was such a horrible act. also, the fact that it was committed in a church, which is where people would think they would be safe. so i'm very elated, i'm happy, and i think -- i'm hoping that the whole world will rejoice if this congressional medal is awarded, we certainly have put in a lot of work to try to get it to this point. i thank the people from alabama. they have the vision to want to do this. it's a wonderful recognition, and we certainly are in hopes that we will have passage. >> i have to tell you that all

of the state of alabama and city of birmingham are really excited about this opportunity. we just hope and are very elated that most of the family members have really appreciated this humble gesture. we thank you for being here today, and we really like forward to finally at last given the national due recognition to the four girls. the fact that their loss of life really led to the civil rights movement and the passage of the civil rights act. this nation owes your whole family and all the families a debt of gratitude. this is but a small gesture, but we are honored that you're here with us today. >> ladies, we owe you a debt of gratitude. thank you for making time for me this morning. i appreciate it. that's going to wrap things up for me. a quick reminder, chris matthews will anchor or special coverage of the george w. bush

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